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significance so to wrap up very quickly

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health effects of ip may be effective in

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species other than humans the findings

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suggest that ip induced health

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benefits may actually be independent of

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any psychological cognitive or social

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factors of the prayer recipients

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and though the study provides no insight

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into whether intercessory prayers

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influence occurs via naturalistic or

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supernatural pathways the results

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suggest that ip works ultimately through

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naturalistic pathways in order to affect

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improvement

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oh the causes it would be all over

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grooming in these animals

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so that the cause was just spending

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it was four weeks and it was coincident

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with tr they received tryptophan for

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four weeks prayer for four weeks start

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yes started and stopped on the same day

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i think this gentleman john uh one of

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the criticisms of the step analysis was

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that the prayers that were given were

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written on a piece of paper and it was

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not naturally the way people pray

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did you

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have anything

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about that criticism to

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make it make your study better

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well i'm this is my own

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bias i think that people who are engaged

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in prayer practice

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find their own way to be able to pray so

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i offered direction if i'm answering

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your question correctly but didn't

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monitor i left the intercessors to their

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own devices because these were seasoned

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these were prayer warriors we could

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think of these were seasoned individuals

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and so i trusted them to their own

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all of them

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so they all were suffering from

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self-injurious behavior that's why we

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yes but all of these belong to that

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subgroup of captive primates because it

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was a much larger lab and not all the

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animals were affected

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that is a wonderful question and part of

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it and this is again is my own bias you

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know as scientists we sort of speculate

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on part of what may be going on i wanted

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to go into this with the strongest iv i

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could

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and i wonder about a dose response

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effect although i believe that one good

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prayer can affect change that's why i

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wanted a number of intercessors i had

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one group of intercessors that

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structured their intercession so they're

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praying 24 7. literally around the clock

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so these animals were immersed in prayer

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throughout the 28 days that's a great

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question but nobody to my knowledge has

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asked that

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i didn't get the question

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oh it was about

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numbers of intercessors and yes

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no some animals would actually have two

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that was one of the considerations for

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what may have moved them into the more

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severe category and so we measured each

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individual wound if there was more than

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one wound then we total the wound area

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very very complete study but i wondered

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why you didn't create wounds so you

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could have identical wounds and not have

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this that really would run against not

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only my own ethical although i had

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originally thought about some infectious

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uh process

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but trying to recruit intercessors to

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pray

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there really are certain parameters and

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if the wounds were inflicted i would not

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have gotten intercessors to pray people

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came on board because they saw this was

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a legitimate condition we were treating

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all the animals and so they agreed to

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participate

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and it sounds to magnitude

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like the procedures that you've been

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using you said 24 7. so you've

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structured something from if i

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understand correctly

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from a dose point of view at least in

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terms of continuity of time it's not 15

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minutes per day right

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are there any other factors that you

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think might help explain why

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the magnitude of effects appear to be

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larger in your particular study

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um i think in part because my own take

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and i actually work with humans as a

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clinical health psychologist i'm not a

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primatologist and i suspect in my gut

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that the fact that we are human and our

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psychologic and cognitive factors

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actually impede our ability to take

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advantage of whatever this ambient

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goody may be out there and the animals

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don't they're just

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so that that's part of what i suspect so

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i think it's it's practice effects and

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the part of the intercessors dose may

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play a play a role

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um and the fact that they're not impeded